The stupidest thing about this Oceangate thing

[theothersemioldfart]

Watching some videos - and it occurs to me. Beyond the recklessness and halfassery of the whole thing... perhaps the absolute dumbest thing has got to be this.

If that window was an LCD monitor, he could have just dropped them 20 ft down, played the movie, collected his 1/4 mil apiece and called it a day, and nobody in the sub would have known any difference (other than still being alive.)

 

[ponchonlefty]

kinda like the ride at the mall.

 

[bonin in the boneyard]

Word is the sub only made it to the depth of the Titanic on 13/90 dives anyway.

 

[bonin in the boneyard]

We discussed this a bit before you joined:

The meme thread

Just to be clear, I meant as a preventative measure to protect the fibers underneath.

sctmmc.com

 

[theothersemioldfart]

Yeah. But the notion that you might not even realize you had been duped makes me question the "value" even for the uber rich, had they done everything correctly and by the book.

 

[bonin in the boneyard]

I don't know if you could say they were duped:

Read OceanGate's 4-page waiver signed by a would-be Titan passenger listing all the ways they could die in the 'experimental' sub

The lengthy waiver that OceanGate required Titan passengers to sign meant they gave up the right to take legal action for injury or "any other loss."

www.insider.com

 

[Jared]

Basically, similar to any waiver required to run a car on a race track.

 

[armyadarkness]

I think it's important to recognize "perception" and the role that it plays on individuals.

Why does one person love catfish and another hate it? Or a movie, or a girl, or a car?

Why did Guns and Roses break up when they were buried in money, fame, and women?

Why does one person love the country, and another the beach?

People go to war over this stuff, literally. It's ironic that actual life isnt hard at all, but we go pretty far out of our way to complicate the Hell out of it. If you take away credit and the relentless need to be socially accepted/ popular, life would be a breeze.

 

[armyadarkness]

My point being, who knows why anyone would have such an overwhelming desire to do something, that they'd risk life to do it. But it's sure a daily occurrence for most.

 

[Jared]

I think it's important to recognize "perception" and the role that it plays on individuals.

Why does one person love catfish and another hate it? Or a movie, or a girl, or a car?

Why did Guns and Roses break up when they were buried in money, fame, and women?

Why does one person love the country, and another the beach?

People go to war over this stuff, literally. It's ironic that actual life isnt hard at all, but we go pretty far out of our way to complicate the Hell out of it. If you take away credit and the relentless need to be socially accepted/ popular, life would be a breeze.

I feel bad for anyone who lives with these expectations. If any of that was important to me, I would have killed myself years ago.

 

[armyadarkness]

I feel bad for anyone who lives with these expectations. If any of that was important to me, I would have killed myself years ago.

When I was younger, I did care a lot about it... I even lived for it.

Now, I like my country get-away. The beach and the city are nice, but the quality of life there is such a facade.

Better to make your money off the suckers in the city, while enjoying the country.

 

[theothersemioldfart]

I don't know if you could say they were duped:

Read OceanGate's 4-page waiver signed by a would-be Titan passenger listing all the ways they could die in the 'experimental' sub

The lengthy waiver that OceanGate required Titan passengers to sign meant they gave up the right to take legal action for injury or "any other loss."

www.insider.com

I'm just saying is for a quarter mil they had no way to know that they had not been duped

 

[Jim C]

Disagree
The document is clearly written and states that you might get hurt or die.
IMO, the document alone shows that the entire engineering effort was half baked at best. Here is one example:

"The experimental submersible vessel has not been approved or certified by any regulatory body and is constructed of materials that have not been widely used for manned submersibles."

 

[ponchonlefty]

Disagree
The document is clearly written and states that you might get hurt or die.
IMO, the document alone shows that the entire engineering effort was half baked at best. Here is one example:

"The experimental submersible vessel has not been approved or certified by any regulatory body and is constructed of materials that have not been widely used for manned submersibles."

that sounds like riding a barrel over a waterfall type of deal. has it been tested? its about to be.

 

[4strings]

Disagree
The document is clearly written and states that you might get hurt or die.
IMO, the document alone shows that the entire engineering effort was half baked at best. Here is one example:

"The experimental submersible vessel has not been approved or certified by any regulatory body and is constructed of materials that have not been widely used for manned submersibles."

I can't imagine... As an engineer I endlessly view the world around me as "this is why it functions" or "this is at risk of failure". Everything from the robots my team designs to the tree branch overhanging wires on the road.

I would never step foot into something as half assed and risk laden as that thing.

Now, getting involved with high risk people has been a different story.

 

[ponchonlefty]

I can't imagine... As an engineer I endlessly view the world around me as "this is why it functions" or "this is at risk of failure". Everything from the robots my team designs to the tree branch overhanging wires on the road.

I would never step foot into something as half assed and risk laden as that thing.

Now, getting involved with high risk people has been a different story.

i do that,when i see things, its the material and the process of machining it to make the part.

 

[bonin in the boneyard]

Disagree
The document is clearly written and states that you might get hurt or die.
IMO, the document alone shows that the entire engineering effort was half baked at best. Here is one example:

"The experimental submersible vessel has not been approved or certified by any regulatory body and is constructed of materials that have not been widely used for manned submersibles."

Exactly.

 

[armyadarkness]

Im an engineer, on many levels, and have been for decades, but I don't think Im a very good one. Which is to say that Im a better inventor, because I build, try, refine, try again.

Ive been doing it my whole life, but Id never use that mentality on a motorcycle, let alone a submersible.

 

[armyadarkness]

That being said... I dont follow current events.

 

[mktrat]

getting involved with high risk people has been a different story.

Guilty.